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Its time for the Nukes.

The video shows just how cowardly these supposed martyrs are. If they were really ready for martyrdom they would not hide their identity. Just a bunch of punks hiding behind a religion to do something horrid. By the way I hope that each of them is ready for an eternity in hell since all religions, including theirs damns them to that place for their actions. There is no place in the Quoran that allows for the murder of bound prisoners, much less innocents.

I know that what they (in reference to the murderers) was beyond wrong. It was, in fact, disgusting. However, I think that when we abused Iraqi's, that we had something bad coming right at us.

I agree. We should have a zero tollerance policy. NUKE EM!

It's no worse than what america is doing. that is the price you pay for war. america intiated war and they have to be prepared for the consequences

Nuke what? the entire middle east?

Im reading 'the exception to the rulers' at the moment. Very informative. Strong parallels can be drawn between 1930s germany and the US today (political repression, military agression, denoting an entire race as enemies ..i.e.jews/muslims).
Nick Berg was a victim of the policies of the US government. Leave Iraq (and its oil) to the Muslims.

I believe that video was completely fake. #1 He is in an orange jumpsuit. Where have you ever seen Iraqis with anything orange (not a good point but one nonetheless). #2 All of the "Terrorist's" hands were white except one. #3 The video had different camera angles shot by 2 different cameras, why would they go through the trouble of simultaneously filming the same thing and editing it. #4 There is entirely way too little blood. There is barely any blood on the killer's hands. In order to sever one's head you have to cut both jugular veins which carry more blood than any other veins in your body, but there was only a puddle about 2 feet in diameter. #5 Soon as they started to cut his throat the camera changed angles and zoomed way in so you couldn't see anything. #6 The guy who first started cutting was wearing a black ski mask, but they guy who holds his head up is the one in the white cloth. #7 Their posture and build does not look like people who live in a poor starving country, but rather trained military personnel. I have more points but it would take up way too much space.

I am Muslim and I am OUTRAGED at the murder of Nick Berg! True Islam DOES NOT condone this madness!

May God bless the soul of Nick Berg.
We should all remember that humans have always been this brutal, its part of our history and future but that does not mean it is acceptable.
We have a dark time ahead of us and many years of war and murder are to follow. The western world has had it good for a long while but that is all over now.
Revenge, outrage, anger , action ....its all part of a new western world trend that will consume the great nations of the world.
Prepare your children for a life much different than the ones we had until now.

I am Muslim and I am OUTRAGED at the murder of Nick Berg! True Islam DOES NOT condone this madness!

Dont be so shocked.
People have done worse and people will do worse.
Imagine if Nick Berg was your brother or Father....then imagine you were in the same room at the time of the killing ....you watch him mutilated.......can you imagine what that would do to you ?? for the rest of your life ??
Well, now understand that this happens in real life everyday around the world...we pretend we are victims but just look to other countries that are riddled with civil war and genocide....they have to look at the brains of thier families spilled on thier kitchen floor...nice hey !!!
Wake up everyone, this is nothing new to the world.....!
Get used to it...there will no doubt be more !

"We" did not abuse Iraqis -- a handful of rogue soldiers did. Berg did nothing wrong and did not deserve this. It's utterly disgusting to suggest that this was in anyway deserved. Grow up.

Michael:

Well that settles it -- the only way we will stop the "Cycle of violence" (tm) is to join hands with our Al Queda brothers and sing kumbaya.

You first, genius.

two words..... NUCLEAR BOMB

America was bulit on spilled blood, ask the Native American Elders . Ask the African American elders. During the days of Wild West you were hung by a tree in the town square if you "rustled 'some cattle.
The spanish inquisition, LA cops, Hilter,Ghengis Khan, George W Bushwacker,
Murder aint pretty folks...
Killing and war-mongering will continue untill the our planet is destroyed.
'We would have never know about this type of murder if we did'nt have some form of media.

Killing people ain't the answer.But we have no control over other people's actions.

Yes the world is truly a fucked place. I live in australia where we are tought to be non racist, sexist etc. Our politicians dont see it that way, if you are aboriginal you get free education, increased welrfare payment, different fishing restrictions. etc etc. everything is different. I am a white australian tafe student , i attend a class with an aboriginal student who laughs at everybody else as he gets his study fees paid, text books paid, even gets a grant to help him start business at end of study!! MY POINT..... it is rules and regulations like this that make people angry enough to cut another mans throat!

I agree with Karakaboo that the video is a fake. This video was faked by our intel to divert world attention from the Abu Ghareb Scandal faced by our govt.

I got a question. Why is it that so many americans say "got bless" this "god bless" that??? how long is it going to take for people to realize that "god" isnt going to bless a damn think. And dont thank "god" either, get a backbone instead and put responsibility in the right place.

I got a question. Why is it that so many americans say "got bless" this "god bless" that??? how long is it going to take for people to realize that "god" isnt going to bless a damn thing. And dont thank "god" either, get a backbone instead and put responsibility in the right place.

Well it could be a fake movie, but they forum his headless body so maybe not...any way this war will never end because the terrorists clearly need war to survive, the killings will never stop. We need a tough law, for instance...if i stabbed a man in the face, i should be stabbed in the face...its harsh but most people dont mind going to jail, but i bet they wouldnt like to have there crime done to them. Most would be affraid to break the law.

P.S: We need a new hitler, but a hitler that hates the middle east :P

I have a strong feeling that we are entering one of the bloodiest centuries of human existence. The United States has no option BUT to win this war in Iraq. To do otherwise would subject the country to decline by putting us at the mercy of terrorists all over the world who will expose our weakness and inability to act decisively. However, when you are fighting an enemy that does not play by any set of "rules," such as those set out by the Geneva Convention, and uses its own holy places as arsenals, the battle becomes impossible to win. The U.S. will have no choice but to adopt the same ruthless and barbaric mentality. I am not upset by the actions of American soldiers abroad nor would I be astounded if the United States adopted an altogether more aggressive and seemingly barbaric approach in Iraq. I feel as if it is compulsory in achieving the United States’ goals. This necessary reaction will cause the complete polarization of the world into two separate and mutually exclusive groups. Nearly every nation will have to subscribe to one side or the other much like in the Cold War of the last century. One side will consist of Islamic nations who will find strength in devotion to the cause of their religion. The other side will be the nations of the western "free" world. Both sides will be willing to do ANYTHING to ensure their survival. The nations siding with the U.S. will have the absolute power of nuclear weaponry while the Islamic countries are armed with the promise of martyrdom and the willingness to commit atrocities in the name of their faith. Both sides will be willing to use all necessary force. This is just a prediction but I think everyone will find much truth in my statements. Which side will you be on? Prepare yourselves for WWIII.

i heard about the beheading of berg in Iraq. although i m a Muslim but strickly against to these kind of things Islam does not allow us to kill any innocent. i m really sad on the incident of beheading.

After watching movies like Saving Private Ryan, Kill Bill, etc. it is hard to difirentiate between real violence and staged. Berg's murder is real and especially horrific because the cowards who did the deed don 't even have the courage to identify thenselves, If God (or Allah) approves, why don't the executioners identify themselves?

where did everyone see the actual video. i havent got a chance to see the pics or video. if any one knows where to see actual viewing pleeze email me with the site.

where did everyone see the actual video. i havent got a chance to see the pics or video. if any one knows where to see actual viewing pleeze email me with the site.

where did everyone see the actual video. i havent got a chance to see the pics or video. if any one knows where to see actual viewing pleeze email me with the site.

I wished, I could see Michael Moore on the video

To all those mearly mentioning the use of nuclear arms. Your country is the only country that has ever put them to use. Your country demands that others dissarm, your coutry has over 34,000 nuclear weapons. Your country forces its ideals uppon the rest of the globe, ie. Communism is looked uppon as bad, because it is opposed to capitolism. If someone has nuclear capabilities and you are not on good terms with them, they can not have them, but you can... hypocritical to say the least. I could say many other things. But just think about that. Why can only your country do what it does? And not others?

Anyone who says "Nuke em" doesn't represent the United States and should be deported.

It was a relief to all the iraqi people that they have sought the revenge of all the atrocities done by the american soldiers on the War Prisoners. Every american soldier should be terrified by watching the video. They should realise that like Nick Berg, death is the ultimate fate. I am not an Iraqi but as a Human Being, I support Iraqi and its resistance in Iraq. All the Best to all Iraqi Soldiers operating beneath.

Sure - we win this war, and ALL the world, including EVERY American who was against it - will come over to our side! Then we all take on Libya, Syria, Iran, Jordan, Bahrain, and ...no, we can't touch Saudi Arabia - that's Bush family territory. Why don't you guys wake up and understand that this war is about OIL, not Terrorism. Otherwise we'd have 100,000 troops in Afghanistan, not 15,000, chasing that guy - remember him?- Bin Laden, who killed 3,000 Americans awhile back. Saddam's caught (it's oil, stupid), Bin Laden's not (it's terroism, stupid) and we will fight for Exxon and Mobil, not Freedom and Democracy. The gullibility of Americans to follow their Leader like sheep to slaughter is the real reason this war will continue if Bush is reelected. Arabs have long memories; keep the Oil Family in the White House and their memories will just get longer and longer....what a fucking mess - and it's the Republicans who got us here, but seeing recent events unfold, I'm damn sure they don't have a plan for getting us out. For every one of you who vote for the guy, show your sincerity and go sign up for a Bagdhad tour of duty. Make your vote count.

How can "Nuke em" be un American. They all hate us, every single one of them over there. The entire middle east is mad cause we video taped them naked for interigation and acted real immature but they fly planes into our buildings and preach against us. We are wasting our soldiers lives trying to help a country who can't help themselves and cuts off a contractors head whos is trying to help there stupid asses. I say get our soldiers out, blow them all the fuck up, oh but first bring back some oil cause gas is getting way to high.

why doesnt america undastand that if they leave muslim lands then they wont need to be slaughtered.
the only problem the 'terrorists' have is that there are western forces commiting atrocities on muslim land. if they all left and took their american imposed puppets(the leaders) with them then we can all live in peace.

so a message to the american forces....GT THE FCUK OFF MUSLIM LAND AND YOU WONT HAVE TO RETURN HOME IN COFFINS. have a nice day.!!

@ rick..
bullshit america has never helped anyone. they are the cause of the worlds problems..

the middle east was the most peaceful place to live in pre-1924. that was until the western forces came and corrupted it. THEN america imposed its own leaders and thats when the problems started.

if america kept their noses out of other ppls business thn it would all be ok but noooooo thy had to go and do tht didnt thy???......now they are gonna gt what they deserve....:)

LOL...DID you just say to get off muslim land so you can live in peace. Do you realize how fucked up it was over there even before we got there, do you relize we weren't over there while you guys made kill American training camps and attacked America off your soil. Man we were just trying to help your scary asses so you could feel a little bit of our freedom but like i said earlier, we SHOULD leave your land, then we can blow ya'll the fuck up from home and no one will need coffins. P.s. learn to spoke

So what was the middle east like pre 1924, did you like it, how was the weather Mal, oh thats right you weren't there, you didn't get your hand cut off for stealing, you probably have telivision right now right. You obviously have the internet, you have no idea what it was like back then. And America does help other countries, you think we give a shit how many wives you have, you think we really want your oil, well we do want your oil but hey you guys started it THIS time and if you think we are scared of what you can do with a tied up contractor wait for a minute cause it's our move next.

LOLLLLL....you obviousli dont know shit....

check a map dated pre-1924.....who ruled over the middle east???
exactli, the whole land was united under one banner.

also do you know the crime rates of that empire?? they were nearly non-existant
in america today a crime is commited every second no doubt.

but ok you did not know that so i forgive you. but seriuosly though why was the middle-east fucked up? think about it logically....
ill tell you why, because the west imposed its rule over the middle east and they implemented their own leaders who would bow down to them.

saddam hussein was the reason for iraq downfall.
who put saddam hussein into power???....america :D
saddam hussein slaughered his own people he commited many atrocities. so why do you think every1 in the middle east hates america??/ cos thy fucked it up in the first place.

now america wants to sort it out??? the arabs dont want their help now. they want them off their land.

if america are left to impose another governtment in iraw this time round i guarantee you the same thing will happen once again like saddam hussein.

solution? return the land to muslim rule and it will return to its peaceful state like that of pre-1924.

Crime rate of the empire......Okay did you get this from the inormation from the police data base or is there a book in the library that says "before 1924 the middle east crime rate was very good" Crime rate is high in America becuase we have police officers who empose the law. And if George Bush started doing some of the shit Saddam was then he would be kicked out of office. Which is my whole point exactly i really don't care who put who in power, we are trying to help becuase you are to pussy to do it your self. I'll tell you what if i tried to help an injured dog and he bites my hand i will kick his fucking skull in. So take our help or bite our hand either way we are not gonna be intimidated by some cowards in masks who be-head a tied up contractor. Our foot is a lot larger then your dirty helpless puppy of a country so take it how you want it.

so you dumb bastards think america doesn't belong on shitty ass muslim soil and believe we bring this terrorism on ourselves.
were we on muslim soil when we were attacked on 9/11, no we were not. what you muslims need are to be whipped like fucking dogs to teach not to bite your master. after president bush shoves the quoran up your asses you wouldn't be bowing for for your religion you would be on yours knees giving head to americans. FUCK ALL THOSE PRISONERS IN IRAQ AND FUCK YOU, TOO.
along all those muslim backing brown nosing american traitors that should be on their knees beside you. if i had my way i'd slit each and everyone of your throats men women and children so you could not contaminate the rest of the world, i'd spare your dog. you may not want us there but were there to stay . because when you fuck with the bull you get the horns. by the way i agree with rick about the oil.

Thanx........exactly.

I think it's time we just annex Iraq and call it the United States of Iraq. Once the people realize what true freedom is, they will revolt against any terrorists on there own. Once all the sects of Islam realize they can practice their religon how, when and where they want, they will never want to give it up., therefore they will fight to keep it. Then we get control of the oil and can regulate the prices a little better. Sounds like a win-win for everyone. Jobs increase, the poverty will start gentrifying. PEACE!

General Gordon, during the siege of khartoum in the 19th century also had to deal with assassins and suicde killers. His simple solution. Shoot them with bullets dipped in pigs fat and bury them in pigskin. The result no more assassins or suicdal killers. I will add one more. feed the remains of the suicide bombers to pigs and their reward will be to arrive in "paradise' as "fertilizer".

General Gordon, during the siege of khartoum in the 19th century also had to deal with assassins and suicde killers. His simple solution. Shoot them with bullets dipped in pigs fat and bury them in pigskin. The result no more assassins or suicdal killers. I will add one more. feed the remains of the suicide bombers to pigs and their reward will be to arrive in "paradise' as "fertilizer".

can't we all just get along?

Rick, you are a disgrace to America. It is sad little nationalitstic people like yourself who give the West a bad name. i am not a bad person, but people will not like me because I am british, this is your fault, not mine. Your ignorant and lacking knowledge of a subject you obviously consider yourself an expert on is laughable. I study History, and I can tell you OUR countries (UK and US) in the last 100 years have been more aggresive and disregarding of Muslim states than these 'terrorists' ever will be. Grow up and read a book

You can study what ever you want and i never called my self an expert in anything. My only point is that this video was made to intimdate the u.s. and it will not work. And so what your saying is that because the us and uk have treated muslims bad in the past than we should just sit back and alow these "terrorists" to have there way. What the fuck did you read anything i said you buck toothed idiot. We are trying to help, my people and yours, this guy was building a new communication system in their country, they cut off his head, before you tell me to read a book pick up a fucking newspaper. And by the way, it's not because your British, people don't like you because your a fucking asshole who read a couple of history books.

America is becoming a facist country. All you americans- be afraid and pay attention to how you are fed information.

if it wasnt so serious the rest of the world would be laughing. fighting for Iraqs freedom indeed!

THE DILEMMA OF ISLAM The French under CHarles Martel (the Hammer) defeated Islamic forces at Poitiers in 732 AD. That rankled. The Brits walked into Arab countries in the 19th century and dictated what can and cannot be done in the country of Muhammed. That really hurts! And it is still hurting today. How can Christian nations defeat the Followers of Allah so easily? It is unthinkable! In spite of all we say and do about getting out of Arab countries, islam still has a global plan to islamize the word. They squeal loudly about their rights in Western countries, but no rights is allowed for Christian and other religions in islamic land. The conflict will not cease even the West withdraw from the Middle East.

Crude language will not make the problem go away. Rather ask am I ready to face what's coming on the world?

oh yeah America... get this! you lot carp on about a beheading but you still strap people down to tables and execute them in your country!! every day!! you clever bastards.

oh dear.....it seems the Americans have got their Bruce Springsteen turned up too loud to hear what the rest of the world is try to tell them.
Just got back from a trip to Florida where I met a guy in gas station who had two bumper stickers on his truck; the first said "WWJD? (what would jesus do?) and the second said "I support operation enduring freedom" . Now, I may be a thick as a whale omlette but I have sneaking suspicion that Jesus probably wouldn''t have ordered the death of THOUSANDS of innocent people in his greed to get his hands on lots of lovely oil to juice up his pointlessly big truck which makes him feel like a big man because his penis/brain is inadequate and small. Anyway the guy in the station was typical American hick who couldn't get his head around the contradiction.

Go back to electrocuting black people and the mentally ill...as you're all too stupid to realise that your President is an idiot, who will ultimately lead you into the WW3. He had his opportunity to change the world, when the towers were hit he COULD have thought to himself....hmmmmm the world seems pretty pissed with us, perhaps I should try to understand why - instead of saddling up, locking and loading, andturning a basically good country into the most hated nation in the world. Everyone in the UK is disgusted with you, and Bush and our little ass-licker of a Prime Minister.

Violence = Violence you fuck-wits.

The really weird thing...is that America has earn't it's place as the Stupidiest place in the world by contiunally repeating the same mistakes. One word VIETNAM. don't hear many the Veterans cheering your president on ....do you? mind you, your are the country who'd have body-builder movie star as a political leader, I mean really....ARNIE! is he seriously considered the most intelligent, tactical, charismatic man your 'democratic' system can produce? HE CAN"T EVEN SPELL USA!! mind you, he was great in Kindergarten Cop, and he'll be well used to dealing with a nation of children.

if you hit someone, there's a high chance they might try to hit you back. Is it sinking in yet? if you think this is bad wait till the Japanese settle the score for the H-bomb (another stroke of military genuis from your clever, clever leaders) just check their economy against yours.......actually don''t bother, as your last electoral count proves numbers aren't your strong point are they America?

Travel Broadens the mind, try visiting some other nations before you try to 'sort them out' .

PS: Jazz has been your only important cultural contribution. For that I Salute You! Thanks America! (oh yeah, and porn - your porn industry now generates more cash than your entire car industry.....boy you must be proud!) Thank god all those innocent GI's died on the beaches of Normandy so that your generation could enjoy Jenna Jameson being spit-roasted......your Grandfathers will be smiling in their graves.

PPS: 'Twins' with Danny Devito- what a movie.

NIck Berg's Father:

"My son died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. This administration did this," Berg said in an interview with radio station KYW-AM.

In the interview from outside his home in West Chester, Pennsylvania, a seething Michael Berg said:

"I am sure that he only saw the good in his captors until the last second of his life," Berg said. "They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend."

Seems a shame to me that a guy has to lose his son in order for the rest of America to hear what we already know...Bush & Rumsfield are ruining your future folks.

i dont have enough time or patience to read all of the posts but a few of them that i have read absolutely disgust me... these people took an innocent civilian who went to help them rebuild and killed him for no reason and you still have the ability to protect them and say that we americans are wrong in what we are doing. That disgusts me where is your sense of pride and patriotism people. and ill tell you waht i tell everyone else if you don't like the way that this wonderful country is run get out.

nice try how many more lies can the us gov get away with?

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_members&Number=1469025&t=-1#Post1469025

i think that the murder commited was very wrong and shouldnt have happened because he died for bush's wrong doings i say that AMERICA takes a larger control of iraq and sends a little more troops in the middle eats because if an american civilian can be captured then america in is no control of iraq as they calim mah deaest applogies to nick berg and his family

try to understand your enemy: eye for an eye... you know??? as long as america and any western/christian "crusader" tries to bring "peace and freedom" to islamic countries they will defeat them and fight back. understand this: these people don´t think that they are not free...
and nuking these countries will be no reason. ever heared about something called "nuclear winter" ? radioactive fallout does not seperate between "good" and "evil" between "christian" and "muslim" and everybody who´s willing to kill innocent people is as worse as any terrorist.

Ohh hoooo!!! Shakin in my boots at your threats. You tell me, in the last 4,000 years if there was ONE generation anywhere in the middle east where there wasn't fighting/killing between yourselves. You make it sound like this is the first experience of poverty and war you have had! Good grief!
Why don't we just have Allah and God duke it (or rather nuke it) out between themselves.

I am a disabled AMERICAN veteran. I think I have seen alot, even over in Kurdistand/Syria for a year. I was abducted by terrorists, but the stupid idiots left the door open, and we got away.

Okay, say we get of YOUR land. Get all of YOUR people off OUR land first!!! ALL OF THEM!!! Good, bad, and the ugly! Maybe if we reclaim all our gas stations and 7-11s, the prices might go down!

if you hit someone, there's a high chance they might try to hit you back. Is it sinking in yet? I take this qoute from barneys' post to show how weak the position he is taking is. Do you think the Taliban and Sadam wish they had thought a little more on that phrase before they participated in or supported the attack on the U.S. As far as the Janapese the last time I looked the attacked the U.S. first as well. I quess there sneak attack was honorable. The point is the U.S. will and should protect it citizens. Also, you would would be speaking German if not for the U.S. The U.S. will prevail in Iraq and the U.S. and the U.K. will be safer for showing that terrorist attacks will not be tolerated on our land and we will not look to see why the world doesn't like us but if you mess with us and kill our people we will kick your ASS. Maybe after that you will thank your so called ass licking prime minister.

People who did things like this, they are animel

People who did things like this, they are animel

Nick got what he deserved. Good riddens to bad rubbish

I really am getting way tired of the "stereotypical" Americans that posts on these type of boards.

Having served with HQ 7 US Corp in what you called Desert Storm (ever heard of naming operations so people don't know what it is you're doing!), I can say that the average Joe is a fairly nice guy . . . but sadly as a nation you have seen way too many John Wayne movies.

I agree with Barney re Bush having a chance to sit back and contemplate on why the vast majority of the worlds population "dislikes" America. Sadly he wants to outdo daddy and is willing to jeapordise world peace and sacrifice innocent lives in the process.

911 was your (USAs) wake up call - try looking outside your little piece of the world and you may realise there is more to it than "the land of the brave and the free". Having served in the British Armed forces for more than a decade, and had numerous dealings with the US armed forces, I think I can offer an educated oppinion that they do not have a clue. Terrorism didn't start on US soil, American governments and people have been funding it worldwide for years as long as it suited American "policy" or misguided political leanings - think IRA, funded to a large extent by "the Boyos over the water". Sadly, I have to admit my first thoughts on 911 where "about bloody time".

Before you rant and rave, I am not trying to trivialise the cowardly acts against western targets, or the deaths of so many people on both sides of this invasion. Nor am I trying to say America is the "most evil place in the world" as some try to make out.

What I would like to see is rationalle people from all sides getting together and putting an end to this downward spiral we are in - that will only happen through understanding of others cultures, beliefs and history and with honest governments looking after the people they have been elected (if elected that is) rather than interfering in other nations business on a pretence of human rights when it is plainly obvious the real reasons are economics.

Bit of a diatribe considering this is my first ever post to one of these places but this situation is SERIOULY PISSING ME OFF!

As for what happened to Nick Berg, my thoughts are with his family and I hope that the special forces track the perpetrators down swiftly and terminate them with extreme prejudice - but NOT take it out on even more innocent people!!

i believe that we should go in and nuke every last one of the bastards. kill them all. but first find the guy that actually decapitated nick and water torture him. make an iron cast where his body is laying spread eagle and he can not move at all and drip water on his forehead.

Here links to different video sources:
http://wizbangblog.com/archives/002472.php,
but if you truly want to understand islamic nation's nature and mentality read this:
"The Arab mind" by Raphael Patai:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1578261171/qid=1084549950/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-1166543-4077415?v=glance&s=books.
One thing I want to say about wat's happenning: It's just a beginning!!!

To Sanity:

All I can say to you is if "rational people from both sides" haven't got together and "understood" each others culture in the last thousand years, how do you think that can happen now? You would be the first to say that rational Muslims don't condone this so how can they speak for the irrational ones, the ones doing a good job at killing us?
Idealism gets killed off with the idealist; that goes for both sides.

I have read everyone's comments on the whole subject matter. Have you ever seen Rush Hour? Jackie Chan says that he didn't talk because that determines how full of shit one really is. I have got to say some of you are idiots. But all in all great conversation, because there isn't shit we can do about the whole problem... form our own military?? I don't think so. Anarchy will happen evenually, soon enough.
At the moment I first learned of what happened to the soldiers who were childishly humiliated by a select few of our soidiers, I didn't really care to be honest. I just wanted to watch my show. Bush interupting scheduled programing for that!?!?
now a select few have killed a civilian who just happens to innocent is heartbreaking. America has always butted into other countries business ane we didn't belong there.
There are so many problems with this world and we are all controlled by a Government of some kind and we will not be free until the end..
By now we sould know to believe half of what you see and nothing of what you here.
Everything happens for a reason and cause and effect happens everyday in this world and the desions of everyone maybe to blame of some part of this nasty war such as voting puchasing items from countries that could support things you don't like. and the list goes on. yeah in my opinion WWIII is on it's way at some point.
Keep in mind opinoins are like assholes...everyone has one.
I could be right ... I could be wrong.
hum... That sounds like religions who knows who is right. You just have to believe in something and hope you are right but if you are wrong you sure will pay the consciences. I know what I believe and that is all that matters to me.
Back to the point.. It all comes down to ther is a problem and none of us like at one thing or another and like i said before there is nothing we can do. American government sure doesn't seem to care about Berg because we would have retaliated already. so in conclusion Bush aministration and the pentagon was involed with the beheading of Berg. In November.. I do not think I will vote for Bush again and definatly NOT for Keary. So i guess I won't be voting so I don't contribute to either of thier fuck ups!!

I have been very disturbed by some of the things written on this board. All of us should take some time to educate ourselves when it comes to foreign affairs. We need not believe everything that we see on the "tube" or hear on the news. This isn't about, the muslims vs christians, because the Christ that I know says to turn the other cheek. I guess the "so-called" christians forgot those scriptures. Killing people is not what Christians do, even if it "seems" justified, because it isn't. Though "pride" and "patriotism" sound good - Think Please - are they Christian? What the muslims do, they will have to answer for, but not to us. What Christians do, we will have to answer for, but not to any man. GOD will be the judge and HE says vengeance is mine. So lets leave this foolishness called war alone and let GOD take care of business as he sees fit.

Our intellect is our downfall, because we see things and make judgements that are not ours to make. For every action, there is a reaction, regardless of who started it. Why is everyone so interested in who's fault it is rather than trying to stop this chaos, or atleast not contribute to it?

What it boils down to is different groups of people justifying in their own minds, horrible things that contradict what BOTH sides claim they believe in........GOD

At the beginning of the War I was sceptical of the US because of its previous excursions,but the more I look at this situation the more thankful I am that somebody is doing something to fight these scumbags,Imagine what those freaks would do if they had wmd's,Europe would be first to go,these people are Arab nazi's,they are terrorising the world and at least the US have the balls to do something about it,I hate this fashionable mindless Anti war bullshit,Ive met 2 Iraqi's and they are delighted the US intervened,I know a lot of US policies are rotten to the core but think about Bin Laden's policies,I know which ones Id like to be governed under

I am from Iraq, and you americans have no idea whats going on. Things are going to get much worse for you, i will see to that. These veterans that post their comments are not heroes, rather they are the real cowards. Living in their own version of reality. That will all come to an end very soon. Americans, be afraid, your our time has come.

Hi tomt

First I'd like to thank you for the restrained reply to my post . . . I have a feeling others may be a little different.

I hear what you're saying and sadly agree with you to a large extent. But can we afford to stop trying?

The main point I want to make is for people not to get caught up in the propoganda war which is demonising whole nations or even followers of a particular religion. Unless the majority of people remain rational on both "sides" of this it may well kick on to global all out war.

Yes the main thread of this topic - the beheading - is inhuman, sick, depraved, barbarous and a plethora of other adjectives. And yes, if I was there and knew for certain the man in my sights was one of the 5 cowards in hoods, I wouldn't hesitate to put a bullet in his head . . . I may even spend a few rounds prior to the head shot just for the hell of it as it has sickened me.

But the outrage over the horrific death of westerners in most of our press is overshadowed by the silence over the deaths of far greater numbers of innocent people on a pretence. IMHO we in the west don't really give a shit about human rights abuses (overstating the facts there, obviously, a lot of people do but not enough for governments to do anything about it until it's too late - Rwanda, Somalia, Yugoslavia et al) and as for WMDs, even if there where any, how was Saddam going to deploy them to a western nation? There is no justification for this invasion.

As for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners, another media beat up IMO. The majority of the photographs I have seen thus far have only differed in one way from "normal" military interrogation procedures - the disgusting smiles and thumbs up from a few idiots that will hopefully have the book thrown at them. Just a shame that according to organisations such as The Redcross, up to 90% of the people in the prison where detained by soldiers just rounding up everyone they could get their hands on.

We are indeed living in troubled times, but I don't think the "Let's nuke the bastards" lobby is adding anything valuable to the issue of understanding how we got here and how to resolve it. Although nuking them may well resolve the issue of human conflict . .. for ever!

sarif

Thank you for making my point!

You appear to dislike Americans . . . but you are so very similar to the "nuke them" lobby.

Enshallah, people like you on both sides of the divide will come to your senses sooner rather than later.

Hey people! Alright, by now everyone knows about the Nick Berg video and probably has already seen it..I for one have seen the tape and it is pretty disturbing, sick, and unhuman...And i'm not trying to stir the pot or nothing like that but JAMES NORRIS mentioned something about a few U.S. military soldiers mistreated some P.o.W.'s that we prolly had something coming...That is some what true, but you also got to understand that the 13 american soldiers who were handling the POW's had no previous training on how to handle those situations...and honestly in my opinion they are POW's so i dont think being tangled in a dog collar is all that bad..now if it was a shock color then we would have some beef with that..the only thing i got against what the soldiers did was sexually assault them, that was wrong..but then again in Vietnam the vietkong did it, so why are we the bad ones? When we atleast fed the POWS and what not, but yet we have those "Radicals"--if you will---standing behind a tied up man who has no way of escaping, not knowing he is gonna die..and you have that main man who did the killing who has a history of the most sickest killings in that country..so they put it on tape....So lets see, the odds stack aganist the US because were supposibly the "Bad one's here" well, wow......I didn't know that the everyday occurance of sexual assualt in this country would overpower a man being innocently executed by radicals on tape, and posted on the internet for all the world to see.....i just dont get it.....

Fake or not (and i do have my doubts) Nick Berg did not deserve that. Shooting him in the back of the head would, at least, have been more "humane" (sic.)
Either get the UK and USA out of Iraq and leave them to sort out their own problems or launch some nukes and blow every one of the mudering bastards back to the stone age and before anyone starts bleating about civilian casualties, just remember the two towers. Yanks aint perfect (neither are the UK) but they are our allies and deserve our support for better or worse.

cornz

Ummmmm . . . the Taliban where our allies at one point . . . as was Saddam . . . as was Hoh Chi Mihn . . .

Ok im sick and tired of all these people saying how badly America sucks and how badly its all our fault this shit is goin on today...Ok if its anyone's fault, its the fucking A RABS that started this shit on 9/11..coming to our country and flying planes into the WTC with innocent hard working americans on it and they kill them? What the fuck do you fucknig ARABS do for a living.. "Oh lets bow down to the ground and put our hands together and pray, YAY!" alright you fuck wads can do that but since 9/11 and all your fucking bullshit, the only thing us American's are gonna put our hands on is our pride, our guts, and our fucking guns to blow your ass's out of the water..Yah blab all you anti-american's about how we screw up everything and how our president sucks and how donald rumsfield is a liar..but the fact is...were the best fucking country on this planet....NO COUNTRY EVER will beable to dominate the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!! I mean all you bitches do (god bless the lives lost and the famlilys) is fly freaking airplanes into the WTC...I mean that is pretty wicked, i'll give yah that..but honestly..is that all you got? seriously..Alright lets look at the facts...Our Trade centers are gone...Iraq is fucked cause we got Saddam...Afghanistan is going to be fucked cause were gonna kill that fucking OSAMA Bin LADEN..oh and by the way months ago we dominated his fucking kids and killed them too..HAHA! I LOVE IT! but now these little sand nigger's wanna release a tap of some communication's worker in IRAQ--which I might add is working for their better cause he is putting up better communcation for those sand nigger's who have never used a telephone or anything--so they nab his ass and set him infront of a camera' blab a few bullshit things about how the US sucks..Which i dont get why we do because--has a country ever invaded the UNITED STATES..i mean actually set foot on land..cause the World Trade Center dont count because they were in planes and there was only a few people..I mean serioulsy has anybody ever had the guts, to ever step up? No, so all they can do is take a guy and behead him..Which i might add was pretty sick and disturbing but they are seriously going to have to do much more then that to affect the GREATEST COUNTRY in the world....Remember you fucking arab's....What doesn't kill you.....makes you stronger

I have read a lot of interesting, to say the least, posts today.
I think while I read, because one thing I learned from 9/11 was to listen, think, then speak.
So here are my thoughts:
What if Nick Berg wasn't killed by Islamic militants?
How many times has the USA government lied to its people and the people of the world?
How bad did the USA need to divirt attention away from the obvious infractions taken against the Iraqi prisoners?
Read between the lines boys.
Everyone has a point a view.
No two points of view will ever be the same.
Would you take someone's life for having a different point of view?
What do you think always starts wars? Could it be just two different viewpoints?
Who here is truly rightous enough to pass judgement on who's point of view is correct? And condem the loser to a murderous death.
You boys are no better than the leaders of all the countries discussed in this forum today.
You could, instead of pissing on each other like grade schoolers, be using this forum to figure out how to GET ALONG!
But then what would I know? I am only a girl who plays well with others and tries to learn from her mistakes.

One more thought:
Why do we (meaning the human race) kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?

alright lets take a vote...who wants to get along..say YAY..if you dont..say NAY

Yay . . . yay . . . and thrice yay

This seems to be a place for people to come and fan the flames of hatred. Most of you are not making any real points, and definately not getting any real points across. You are making each other angry, which is why the whole world is in the shitter right now over this mess. I am American. Nuking the middle east is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Maybe we coudl get away with it back when were the only country with nukes, but not now. You nuke the middle east and america WILL be finished.

We started this for political reasons a long long time ago, I agree. Peace is not achieved this way, it is avoided. Wars are a very good excuse to make money.... if you win. We as Americans need to look deep down and bite the big one. There are more important things in life than oil. People preach about not caring about the middle east and fuck this fuck that... and then turn around saying how we are helping you and want to make life better over there. You obviously represent the governement and are part of the reason we are in this mess, which in case you haven't notice, is getting worse and worse. Thanks to you our children are going to grow up in a much worse world.

Stopping Saddam for reasons such as taking our oil(kuwait) is one thing. Using some american-created conflict as a pretext for invading his country and fucking everything up, directly causing incidents such as this, then havig the guts to post stuff like this blaming other things... is something different entirely. We made this happen people. How can you say we didn't? Saddam was not a threat to us, are you kddding!!?? What's he going to do, crawl out of his hole and start popping off his 9mm? As bad as things may be over there sometimes, we shoudl leave. It's the whole reason we get attacked, then we get angry and attack them and say shit like "nuke em" and "the war was justified". Time will tell, unfortunately a lot of the aftereffects may not be seen for a while, but at this rate we'lll have the whole world against us, and we can't survive witout other countries. It's how we make a lot of our money. The worldwide history books will show us as another slaughterer, another Nazi Germany purhaps even. they got away with a lot before people finally stepped in. the same is happening right now. Fuck bush. And I'm not even into politics.

As for God, I say God forgive us. We are not helping, even if some of us truly try, we are not much more than tools of the ruling government we all support just by living here. The governement is fucking us all. the economy sucks. People are scared and unhappy. Hate is everywhere.

There, I'm done. I can't change your minds but I speak the truth.

Adam

dj
I think that the "arabs" as you so innapropriately called the islamic community of the middle east, remember quite realisticaly the phrase" that which doesn't kill us, makes us stronger" hence the two planes flown into the WTC, the plane flown into the pentagon and the plane downed in PA.
What do you think spurns there anger?
At least, although I do not agree with "an eye for an eye", the militants of the middle east are willing to back their beliefs with actions, albeit innapropriately.

And, as if I needeed to cast another vote, I vote YAY!

Yay. I missed that.

You know why you all hate America because we have everything you don't. We are the greatest nation on this eartth and the rest of you are so far behind you hate us for it. Without us tthe rest of you all would be screwed. Nearly every great invention of the past 200 years has come from the democracy the flourishes here, ie electricity, automobiles, films, internet, and yes the nuclear bomb. Every one of you sissy bastards in Europe would be speaking German if it weren't for us. Yeah we nuked Japan because they brought us into it. We tried to stay out. And as far as oil, we could have made everyone in the Middle East rich but the dictators and leaders there all horded the money for themselves. Those countries would be in even more piss poor condition if we hadn't discovered the oil there for them. And you know what, if we just wanted to take it we could, but we instead try to help and this is the bullshit you do in return. So yeah we started out by kicking Britain's ass, then Germany and Japan, next we defeateed Russia in the cold war and now we will do what has to be done in Iraq. The message is Who's your daddy? Don't fuck with America or you will regret it. So quit all your jealous squabbling around for the scraps of our dinner tables. Face it you hate us because we own your ass. We are better than you, smarter than you, and tougher than you...oh yeah and we got more money. So all you pussy ass bitches complaining about what we are doing....FUCK offf

I appreciate your level head, Sanity. I disagree however. In a war you have to decimate the opposition to achieve peace. I am surprised you don't seem to acknowledge that. Israel did not decimate the Palestinians at the world's request and has tried many times to sit down and work things out.

There are opposing forces out there. Radical Islam seeks the death of all unbelievers. Radical Islam is the current enemy. It must be annihilated in order to achieve peace.

Communism is another mortal enemy of freedom. They cannot coexist in peace for communism seeks to kill God and faith, which are the basis of a free, moral society.

I acknowledge that there is evil in the world. What was done to the Iraqi prisoners was evil in a sense, but if the "torture" saved American and European lives by the information extracted then I will volunteer for the next photo shoot and will smoke the cigarette and smile.

I am sure that followers of Allah feel similarly about the execution of Nicholas Berg.

I know that our mission in Iraq is not oil. It would be easier to defeat our internal politics in the US and drill some of our many stores of fuel - or promote different forms of energy.

Our mission in Iraq is to depose a WMD leader - which was done - and to promote a democracy.

If the dog keeps biting the hand of help, however, I say give them their old master back - maybe he can return them to their happy days of peace.

Glenn

FUCK BUSH N EVERYONE THIS AINT NOTHING NEW FUCK IRAQ LETS WORRY ABOUT WUTS GOIN HERE AT HOME FUCK ALL U .
VIVA ZAPATA

you ppl have been HAD big time! nick berg was *already dead* when they sliced off his head. this is a propaganda film.

hee hee, I think JOE is sitting in his trailer park and throwing back some real cheap beer..on his $2.99 walmart chair..Hey. Joe? Have you ever been to another country? another state? Another trailer park?? I doubt it..your lack of knowledge really shows!!!

I think DJ Jones is sitting with Joe drinking the same cheap beer..what a bunch of losers who can't even spell..

Just because a bunch of lunatic fanatics carried out this horrible crime, it does NOT mean the rest of the Middle East is guilty..Do you recall Timothy McVeigh? I believe he was American but we didn't start hating EVERYONE??? Just you, you loser..

Joe - I think that is some great material. It fuels my kill-enemy emotions, but is not terribly productive -but who cares about productive, I guess - we are just a bunch of pointy head whiners on this post. It goes nowhere... does nothing but give us a chance to yell at each other...

I AM PRO FREEDOM! I AM PRO IRAQ WAR! BRING OUR BOYS HOME AFTER THEY HAVE VANQUISHED THE ENEMY! 72 HOUR PAMPHLET FOR THE INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE SUNI TRIANGLE THEN CARPET BOMB TO A PARKING LOT!!! THE RADICAL ISLAM DO FOCUS ON BRUTALITY AND PERCEIVED STRENGTH. THEIR STRENGTH IS IN KILLING A TIED UP CAPTIVE - OURS WILL BE IN HAVING OUR WAY HOWEVER WE LIKE IN THEIR LAND, DESTROYING OUR ENEMIES, THEN GIVING IT BACK TO THE GENERAL POPULATION AND HELPING THEM REBUILD, AS A FREE NATION.

Whew! I feel better now. No wonder these posts are so popular :D

Glenn

Joe, you are going to get this country in deep shit. Your attitude promotes the very things that anger you. Pride in your country is one thing, but letting it blind you and stop caring is another. We won't be very great for much long if people like you had their way. Every great ruling society has collapsed under the very attitude you hold. How many superpowers are there left? Us. How long do you think that will last? Power corrupts and you prove that. You are not God, you do not have the right to impose on other countries for your own good, just like you don't want to be imposed on.

Glenn, your views are at least sane. However, power has also corrupted you. If we WERE NOT the most powerful country, and some other country wanted to decimate you to depose the leader you believed in, no matter how man WMDs someone SAYS he has(which up untill this point the WMD thing is propaganda, there is no proof and you can't honestly stil KNOW he had those weapons, with our intelligence we would have come up with SOMETHING by now).
I respect your opinions. Hhowever our country has created this conflict to take advantage of people who believe what you believe. I don't know for sure if this is entirely about oil, but I DO knwo it is about power, and oil right now is a resource that is running lower than most people are told. there is probably quite a lot of oil around here and elsewhere, but not THAT much. Do you want that oil channeled to other countries so they can become more powerful? Not if you are the US government.

I feel as though we've all been fooled, or most of us anyways, video or not. This video means very little in the scheme of things, but how often do you have the ability to watch an american actually being beheaded? It sparks outrage so the American population can be controlled. Time for some more wake up calls. The government gets it's way by making the people feel the way it wants them to feel. Let a plane crash into the world trade center, people get pissed. Don't let the government direct all of your anger elsewhere. Think harder.

There is no proof it is fake. Little bit of blood or a lot of blood ...they found his body with no head, dead before or dead after there was no head. It would not suprise me either way.

I starting crying once I heard the audio and to look at someone being tortured doesnt compare to any naked pictures of anyone. I mean those Muslims go to go back to their cells afterward but Nick got beheaded. I just wanna say Thanks to Mr Bush you pig for putting us over there!!

Please don't belittle Joe, Sam. Are his views any worse then the more fanatical Islamics? Hardly. Ingnorance is far weaker sin.

I do wanna get along so yay!! and I hope Bush brings us home cause we are getting crazy from WAR over there!! Thats probably why we are smiling taking naked pics of Muslims. We are venting our anger over war

...and so it is done. On the 6th day of June in the year of 2004 in a small middle eastern land will come the end. The end of death and the end of life. All those who know the story, will know the end. And in a moment of faith will meet the fate that awaits us all. Our sons and daughters will all know peace and will return to their true homes. As we live in faith we shall grieve for the loss and rejoice in the homecoming of those we hold dear. Blessed be the sinners who repent at the Cross.

I keep hearing about June 6. What is supposed to happen?

I am an American, who grew up the west nnear the beach, I smoked, I drank, I partied with the best of them, then I joined the military well after my high school days. I thought the military was for the loosers who could not hack it in the real world. I was wrong, these men and women in the military are smarter than the military 10-20 yrs ago. They are boys and girls...men and women who one way or another CHOSE to serve their country...one rason or another they joined. Honestly, they are you and I, they are NO DIFFERENT than the kid you sat next to in history class or the one down your street, they chose what they chose and I for one, now being a military person has the utmost respect for them and fully understand how human they are. Yes, the Nick Berg beheading is aweful, the death of thousands of military personel is aweful, the senseless deaths of Iraqi civilians are aweful. The deaths of thousands of anti-american people is AWEFUL, but if someone needs to leave this earth...God...let it be the ones that murdered Nick Berg and the ones killing our military personnel. Look at your congress ...look at your politicians...then look at yourself...who did you vote for? Who did you put in charge? If you say the other guy...you'd be wrong...if you said Bush...you'd be wrong...if you didn't say anything...you're an ass. Stand alone if need be...but stand. if you can't think of any reason to do so...do it for the people over there...that were born and raised here and stand for them and thank them and pray for them as they endure the hardships of being away form their wifes, husbands, childrens, brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers for a year and then some. Would you be willing to be away from EVERYONE you love for a year???!!!!!! Noe incorperate the possibility of being killed and never seeing anyone you love again, and the pain they must go through, now that you are gone. I have seen the coffins...I have seen the wounded...they are you and me. They are the neighbor down the street. So when you get up and go get your morning coffee, morning paper and are able to decide on a latte or a mochachino...the Herald or the Register newspaper...You have that choice, you do what you want because of those down there defending it today. Look at your child and your family and think about it. Be grateful...I use to take everything for granted...now that I have seen the hardships our military endures I appreciate it and never take it for granted...well, most of the times. Thanks to our military most americans, never have to think about it.

For those sick individuals on here who have lost their mind in hate and call for dropping nuclear bombs on all Iraqis, killing all the women and children, etc. - you are not better than the masked terrorists in this video. You are just as ignorant, moronic and evil as they are. The death of one man, no matter how horrible does not justify such actions. Violence will always breed more violence - it's a vicious circle that will never end.

For the warhogs on here, have you even bothered to learn what Iraqis think of this despicable murder? Or are you only capable of yelling "death to all, god is with us!" like the terrorist pigs?

For those who would like to break their ignorance read letters from Iraqis regarding the killing of Nick Berg. Are these the people you want to kill? Wake up!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/3706763.stm

I posted the video on my site for those who are interested in seeing it. One thing though that I ask. Yes, I was mad as hell after what I saw, but keep things in perspective please and use your brain over raw animalistic instincts before you come here and make posts that make me ashamed to live in the same country with you. You say Americans are good people and I believe that the majority are, but the few of you give us a bad name posting idiotic messages all over the internet that make people around the world say "see, Americans are just as bad as the terrorists".

Anyway, here's a link. Make sure you want to see this. It almost made me puke.

http://www.ranndino.com/personal/video/nick_berg_execution_video.htm

June 6th was also D-day, was it not? I imagine that there may be other significant alignments as well. Speak Stanley.

Israel also seized Gaza on june 6th. Hrm....

Yes, speak Stanley.

OK. I live in Michigan with a BIG population of ARABS!!! I HATE THEM ALL!!! Seriously, I never like them. They stink and they try to get things for free (I work at a grocery store) because they are greedy bastards. They cheat with paying taxes. I think they should ALL BE SHOT!!! I HATE THEM!!! JUST BOMB THE DAMN COUNTRY AND BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!!! We can do NOTHING for that scum of a country. Our troops don't deserve to be in Iraq. I am just disgusted with them. It wasn't "america" that humiliated the iraqis in the prison, it was a bunch of soldiers up to no good. KILL ALL ARABS!!!

Yeah well that accomplishses a lot. Try a punching bag next time.

Adam, you got my curiosity up:
I am really interested about this June 6th reference mentioned by Stanley. Wikipedia had this info but nothing of real "biblical" importance. Stanley where are you? Don't leave me hanging.

Courtesy of Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_6

Events of June 6

1513 - The Battle of Novara is fought
1523 - Gustav Vasa is elected King of Sweden
1683 - The Ashmolean Museum opens
1809 - Sweden promulgates the Constitution of 1809
1833 - President Andrew Jackson becomes the first President to ride a train
1844 - The Young Men's Christian Association (YMCA) is founded in London
1857 - Sophia of Nassau marries the future King Oscar II of Sweden-Norway.
1859 - Queen Victoria signs Letters Patent making Queensland into a separate colony.
1862 - American Civil War: The Union captures Memphis, Tennessee
1912 - eruption of Novarupta in Alaska begins. Second largest volcanic eruption in historic time.
1918 - World War I: The Battle of Belleau Wood begins
1925 - The Chrysler Corporation is founded
1933 - The first drive-in theater opens, in Camden, New Jersey
1942 - World War II: Nazis burn the Czech village of Lidice as reprisal for the killing of Reinhard Heydrich
1944 - World War II: D-Day: attack on Normandy by Allied forces
1949 - Nineteen Eighty-Four, by George Orwell, is published
1956 - David Marshall, Singapore's first Chief Minister, resigns
1966 - James Meredith, civil rights activist, is shot while trying to march across Mississippi
1971 - Soyuz 11 launches
1974 - A new Instrument of Government is promulgated making Sweden a parliamentary monarchy
1976 - The Soweto riots in South Africa mark the beginning of the end of apartheid
1985 - The body of Nazi war criminal Josef Mengele located and exhumed
1991 - George and Barbara Loeb, members of the Church of the Creator, are arrested and charged with murder
1996 - The sons of Darlie Routier, Damon and Devon are stabbed to death in their Rowlett, Texas home. Their mother would later be convicted of the murder.
2002 - The United States House of Representatives Energy and Commerce Committee announces it is probing Martha Stewart's ImClone stock sales

I have a strange feeling about what he said. It's almost jibberish, but none of that other stuff seems too significant. I ran google searches for stanley womack. I came up with a lot of stuff, I'm looking for cross references to june 6th. I'm at work so this is hard because I'm busy. If I find anything, I will post it here. Unless stanley speaks again I have no choice but to assume he is either a deeply religious person who saw something somewhere, or he's a walking talking code because nothing too obvious shows up on my radar. I will post back here later. I have stuff to do.

This is not a staged video. The sounds Nick made as his head was being sliced off could not have been faked, no way! That's the most awful sound I've EVER heard in my life. I believe the US should employ its full military strength to bring this war to and end as quickly as possible to protect the lives of OUR soldiers, and our national interests. We have a moral responsibility to protect the lives of our citizens FIRST, so whatever we can do to ensure the least amount of coalition casualties, do it! A government such as that of Iraq (and any other muslim nation) that does not uphold the rights of its own citizens has no right to exist on it's own. That's all the moral justification we need to go in there and kick ass. Do we try to avoid civilian casualties, if possible? Yes, but not at the expense of our own boy's lives.

To address the issue of using nuclear weapons:

I'd be in favor of using them IF the military can do so in a way that will not start an all out nuclear war. I have no idea if that's possible, but I know that we have smaller nukes in our arsenal that can be used without creating tremedous collateral damage.

I wish this administration would quit paying homage to the whining liberal cowards in this country and win this war once and for all. Bomb a mosque, bomb a hospital, bomb whereever the arabs are and get our boys (and girls :) home and thank them for their brave service to our country. THANK YOU!

Three times 666 passeth,
Thousandfold on nations,
Cometh fear and sudden death.
Everywhere are lamentations,
Sorrows and none are comforteth.
Day by day their woes increase,
Mine alone are blest with peace.
For it is through numbers that God will prove his presence,
And identify those who defy Him.
And the Righteous shall spurn the coins that are foisted upon them.

http://www.geocities.com/damrho666/prophecy.html

That's what I think he was talking about but I have no idea where the stuff about the middle east comes from.

Basically it is amzing coincidence to see some of the stuff on that page if it were NOT true.

Supposedly the writing above was found at jesus' grave. You can assume that was about 30AD.

3 times 666 passes. that's 1998.

30 + 1998 is 2028, when this supposed asteroid, 1997XF11, smacks into earth and life comes to an end. We know this asteroid exists and we know it is possibly on a course to hit earth. Why this guy thinks earth is over on june 6th is beyond me, but the passage fits the current situation.

"And the Righteous shall spurn the coins that are foisted upon them."

Translation:
The good will reject the money that they are tricked into valueing.

That sort of applies to Iraq if you ask that guy.
Crazy or not, you tell me...

Why june 6th? Why the middle east? Only Stanley can say.

The extreme views posted on this page are pathetic, and as for fundamentalist muslims commiting murder in the name of allah , they will suffer a worse fate than death for humans are unable to punish such people in proportion to their crimes. The perpetrators of the beheading have nothing remotely good in store for them either in this life or the next. They have sealed their own fate. Allah Assured.

"For it is through numbers that God will prove his presence"

If you do mathematical permutations on the date we discovered the asteroid and the date it "hits" earth, you come up with 777, or the sign of GOD 3 times. So, pretty big leap there, but the sign of god coincides with the sign of evil in the same year. And the asteroid hits earth and we all die. All done "through numbers". There is a little blind faith there.

I had a thought, doesn't it say in every religion that man should not kill other men. Well the way i see it people who can do that are just fucking there own religion up. This is why i've come to the conclusion religion is a load of crap as no one ever follows it. It just pisses me off how people that are so big on religion can do that and then turn round the next day and have a religious war. Bollocks the whole lot of it is

All i have to say is that video pissed me the fuck off. We are there to help these fucks and this is how we are repayed. So what if a couple rogue soldier screwed with some Iraqi prisoners. We did not kill these men, only embarass the hell out of them. I think they all need a little of this, with a side of a kick in the ass. When will you people realize that none of this has to do with Bush. It has to do with some crazy extremists and a bunch of ignorant fucks that are fighting holy wars over nothing. America has the power to help, and thats what we do. When someone grows the balls to attack us on our own soil, you had better believe we are going to bring a can of whoop ass. What were we supposed to do, just sit here and remain vulnerable. We took the action that needed to be taken. Fuck all of these ignorant fucks. This video makes me so fucking mad i could hop on a plane right now and slap all of these fuckbags in the face with my cock.

This video is just horrible. Our prayers our with Nick's family. I understand this is an outrage, however what about the civilians who were burnt last month and what about all of our American soldiers who died a tragic death. Remember them too. Why are we not giving the families media too? I am not mad I am very sad however, let's not forget them either.

I almost lost my lunch when i saw this video...how sick must you be to do such a horrible thing to someone...

Adam,
Thanks for the insight. I sure wish ole Stanley would speak up. The "numbers" are very interesting. Not being person myself, I am not sure what to think but it is interesting.
Thanks again
kait

Adam,
that would be..."a religous person myself"

This video brings to me a sense of urgency. What needs to be done in this case is not a nuke, and not to necassarily find Mr. Bergs killers. What needs to be done here is Ethnic cleansing until no more of them exist. Hitler modled his killing after what the Americans (white man) did to the Native Americans. Why not do it all over again only this time to the Arab people. This is the only effective way to gain their respect and that is by fear and power.

Sanity, WE trained most of them!!!!!!!
Whats done is done and with the benefit of hindsight we wouldnt even be having this discussion.
But we are in this posistion and thats my 2 quids worth.

What is a civilian doing working in a war-zone anyway? Trying to 'help', yeah of course the guy is a saint. Give me a break - trying to make a fast buck more like. There's plenty of jobs in McDonalds if he's stuck for work back home. This world is sick because of greed on the one side and twisted religious freaks one the other.

You Americans - wake up - look around you - your country is as sick as Irak. Greedy, fat, capitalist, corrupt. You're as sheep-like as those crazy Muslim fundamentalists. Brain dead. WAKE UP.

You Muslim fundamentalists - where do I begin? Try to see beyond your sunstroke madness of religous brainwashing - if there really is a god YOU ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL along with those fat american capitalists - you're both evil. This method of strapping bombs to yourselves - can't you practice somewhere together - preferably ALL together - go on.

Neither of you is right - and you're both wrong.

Americans, your ignorance is LEGENDARY the world over.
Muslim Fundamentalist freaks, you are less holy than my shit.

Now you all know the truth I can sleep peacefully tonight.

Oh one more comment. The evil men in this sick video were chanting 'God is Great' as they butchered him probably in the hope that they will be forgiven for the evil acts that they knew they were commiting.

Well yes, God is Great, and that great god granted Life to Nick Berg. These blind devils took his life away in the most anti-god manner possible and they expect forgiveness from god? hmmm I dont think so.

I have never seen such a disgrace to the human race as these types of people, they are hypocritical cowards, inhumane , and totally anti-god.

They hate, and they want us to hate, they want the whole world to hate because they are going to hell anyway.

If we are wise we will make some good out of this by strengthening our resolve against evil of all types wherever it may lurk, starting by eradicating these lowlife murderers shown on the tape.

Anon , some very good points :) but i sense your hate , and you cant speak for everybody with broad terms like 'Americans' or 'Muslims' , one muslim is as different to the next muslim as one american is to the other.

If people hated the the way things were instead of hatin each other maybe they would solve someproblems :)

There are evil people and there are good people, whether it be in iraq, italy, america or any other country.

The thing that makes everyone sick is when evil men like Al queda hide behind religion , therefore insulting god, and creating doubt in god in others's minds. The Good will win , its a forgone conclusion , God IS Great.

Well 'me' :-

I did make very broad sweeping statements about both Americans and Muslim fundamentalists.

However, it is to be understood by the reader that I only mean those specific people who contribute to the sick world. Both greedy/ignorant Americans and muderous Muslims.

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

There are good Americans and good Muslims in this world - you know who you are too - I shake your hands.

Good and bad are global concepts, even in diverse societies - it ain't rocket science.

Anybody that made a comment about using nukes is a complete moron. Oh yeah, let's start a nuclear winter and possibly Armageddon just because one person got beheaded. People get killed all the time, it isn't worth jeopardizing the whole world.

I'm glad you people don't run our government. Then again, you need either brains or money and connections (like our very own president) to get in it.

1: Nick Berg was a puss - when the badmen came for him on the street he should have stood them down and fought to the death like a man.

2: Smeezer (or wtf his name is) is a puss - he's gotta tie up one lonely lazy fat american and have his crew back him up for a little sword play to the neck? Weak.

3: That knife - or 'sword' like cnn calls it - is a puss - Smeezer had to saw at that neck for like 30/40 seconds. A good knife would have lopped that noggin right off *POP*

4: Everybody who posted "God Bless...etcetc" in here is a puss. God blessed the shit outta nick berg right then didn't he(she/it/they/allah). I suppose you feel all giggly and warm and blessed for success when you see someone get their head pulled off. Bet his dad was like: "Wo! Thank you jesus!! Cuz my boy might have lived to be 80 without ever getting on the news!!"

5: Or is it 555? All you numerologists are pusses. Errrrrrrr... can't hate you enough to really type anything here. You are stoopid and pusses.

6: I dunno if you NUKE EM NUKEM EM all caps typing bastards are pusses - but you are BASTARDS-TURNOFFTHATGODDAMNCAPSKEY.

7: Im a puss! Im typing in a motherfucking BLOG of all things....

Bye

First I won’t to say I love the U.S.A and in no why I’m I trying to offend anyone, but America needs to Cowboy the fuck up. War is not for the faint of heart, people die on all sides of the spectrum both ally, enemy, and most unfortunately incident. But that is war and in war there are no good guys, there is no one black and white answer to everything and unfortunately many Americans don’t relies that the only two whys to win a war against people that are capable of SAWING a incident mans head off, ( Nick Berg ) is one fill them with fear by matching them in there brutality or two simply kill them all. We apparently can’t do the first thing, just look at all the problems that came from the Iraqi prisoner incident. Killing them all, O on that would be inhuman. So what now, leave Iraq and let the terrorist over run the country as Americans sit at home thinking there safe. As Al Qaeda and other militant gropes plan there necked at on democracy.
I DON’T THANK SO

America needs to win the war, and thin be the good guys

O and fuck all you people that think Nukes are the answer
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO
KILL US ALL

Hi I'm 15 years old and I think that the death of Nick Berg was unreasonable. He was innocent and didn't deserve what he got. I read a few of the post's and I think we should not nuke them because then they will think that we will use nukes to solve everything, every war we have to fight in. I know that we want our country to be strong and have every American that lives here in the U.S to be proud their American.I know many of you have heard the saying " Fighting never solves anything" i know I have ,many times in fact. Those are my opinions. Thank you for taking your time for reading this.

Angelica

I dont know what to think. I think the movie is real, why would our govt fool us like that? But then again i dont know. I havnt seen the video. If anyone knows a web where i can see it please say! I love God and believe in him so all you ppl bad mouthing him better back off!

First things first I'm not a nuerical kind of guy, I hate math. All of that was posted at the link I had explaining some cryptic religious beliefs that someone posted here. Kait and I were both intrigued. Don't worry I not only don't care that you lashed out at me unreasonably, I forgive you :-P

A lot of people are drivin to post here by hate. I only ask you to reconsider your thoughts before you mindlessly type whatever bad thoughts come to your head.
The violence seen in the video AND the situation in Iraq doesn't exactly cause happy thoughts, right? Posts like this are to be expected and I refuse to defend myslef against every schmuck with anger management issues.

Oh and thats NUMERICAL.

If I misspell is because I don't care. Because that is irrelivant and I suck at spelling anyways.

Quit bashing capitalism!!

The following statement was posted by someone in here who does not understand what capitalism is:

"Greedy, fat, capitalist, corrupt."

Capitalism is an institution of government that protects the rights of it's citizens. It does so by punishing those who take away the rights of fellow citizens, or more specifically, who use force against other citizens. In a capitalist society citizens can freely deal with one another or choose not to deal with one another. There is no force involved in the relationship, it is voluntary. A capitalist government holds the right to use retalilatory force against those who initiate force against others. So to say that a system of government that's sole purpose is to protect the rights of its citizens is actually abusing rights is irrational. If that's the case then what you have is NOT a capitalist government. Which leads me to my next point....

The American government is not capitalist. We live in a mixed economy where the government protects our rights sometimes, and takes them away other times in the form of controls, regulations, welfare, antitrust, etc. So let's get our facts straight people.

Lek FUK U ALL U MOTHERFUKERZ U AMERICANS THINK U OWN THE LOT MAN WHEN U GOING TO WAKE UP AND SMELL ISLAM..MAN UR THE COWARD ONE U CANT EVEN FIGHT WITH GUNZ OBNLY U NEED BOMBS AND TANKS AND ALL THAT MAN THATS WHAT U CALL COWARDS WHEN U KILLED OVER 200 IN FULIJA YOU'S DONT CARE BUT ONE PERSON NAME NICK BERG IS KILLED TOU'S WANT TO MAKE IT WW3...TAKBIR---ALLAH AKBER

Lek FUK U ALL U MOTHERFUKERZ U AMERICANS THINK U OWN THE LOT MAN WHEN U GOING TO WAKE UP AND SMELL ISLAM..MAN UR THE COWARD ONE U CANT EVEN FIGHT WITH GUNZ OBNLY U NEED BOMBS AND TANKS AND ALL THAT MAN THATS WHAT U CALL COWARDS WHEN U KILLED OVER 200 IN FULIJA YOU'S DONT CARE BUT ONE PERSON NAME NICK BERG IS KILLED YOU'S WANT TO MAKE IT WW3...TAKBIR---ALLAH AKBER

And for those who seem to post mindlessly about taking iraq out and all of that nonsense, it makes sense. I reitertate simply: mindless thinking got us in this situation to begin with. On both sides.

Sticks and stones my break my bones, but you are obviously an unintellignet lemming, betrayed by your thoughts. You apparently have nothing to spread but mindless hate, and you make the world a terrible place.

Notice how the people typing in random offensive thought do no return to justify themselves? It is because there is no justification for such nonsense and I hope they realize that. You can hate all you want, but find a better vent for it. There have been some really good points made on both sides, aside from the BS. This keeps the point of this blog focused, although the point of a blog is to kind of post what you feel. That dissapoints me because people simply do not think, they hate.

what i think is funny/sad is that a majority of americans still think that the iraqis had something to do with september 11. this is even after the bush administration admitted before invading iraq that there was no concrete evidence tying saddam hussein to september 11th. i mean, it's not even like the truth isn't available in our own country. just about the only tv station that won't admit this fact is FOX news, and if you're watching that shit and you believe it, you got bigger problems to worry about...getting back to my original point, so many of these posts have focused on the "they attacked us, so we had to hit back" attitude. this is fine and great for afghanistan but in the context of iraq it just doesn't apply. we attacked a country that had an evil dictator who possibly had WMD. however, that has nothing to do with some concept of justice or striking back at a country that attacked us first. iraq never attacked us...even in 1991 they attacked kuwait (after OUR ambassador f'd up and told them that the u.s. considered a possible iraq-kuwait war an arab-arab conflict) not the u.s. sigh....it makes me really sad to see how little the general american public really knows about this issue.

Short & Sweet...........Kill or be killed. You can't reason with people who give no meaning to human life. So.........to all the mindless & spineless folks who hate the USA, " We have the Brains and Muscles to pop your heads like zits if you mess with us". If Osama had any part of a brain, he would'nt have to shit in a cave the rest of his life!

I love Candy Apples, Naggers, !White Power!

Allah you seem to not understand or freaking grasp the english language let alone spell.

Your post clearly shows that you can't without emotion discuss anything logically and intelligently.

Allah you seem to not understand or freaking grasp the english language let alone spell.

Your post clearly shows that you can't without emotion discuss anything logically and intelligently.

Jon,

Lets not fool ourselves. Capitolism and democracy are 2 different things. The values of freedom you speak of are Democratic in nature. The will of the people and the freedom to choose.

Capitolism is allowing people to make as much money as you want, essentially. It is so much more, but the basic principals allow for the person who is most deticated to making money to basically get rich. It's kind of a good system for success of the country but tend to lead a lot of people down the path of evil. I feel there is a better way, and it is regulation of the rich. People get a little too headstrong about money and overlook the damage they cause to other people. I support our country but that is my opinion. I must voice it to have any chance of improving the way it is run.

Allah i s great,

I hope you understand that is is nature to support your country and have faith in your goverment. I feel bad about the deaths of teh iraqis as we speak. I truly do and I am sorry. I am sorry.

I'm not sure you speak very good english, but unless you justify your thoughts, well I pity you because you make most of my country want to attack you and kill you, at least apparenlty. I do feel the actions by my fellow countryman can only be looked down upon so much. your countryman would have done far worse and HAVE. That I must clear up right now. When put in a position of power, people tend to stray to evil. Those soldiers who did what they did will be punished. I think that is clear. When all is said and done, your "detainees", a lot of which are undeserving of torture( which I think is a fact most of us overlook), have stories to tell and a right to complain, but they still have their lives, and when we do leave your country, IF EVER, I hope we allow you to have some of the comforts us americans enjoy. It is this feeling that drives us to alllow the war to continue I think, but if we are fooled and misled do NOT hate the people, hate the misleader.

Would someone from the "Nuke 'em" fraternity please explain how all foreigners would be evacuated prior to the blast without raising suspicion? There are only two scenarios - bomb the "baddies" and all the civilians and occupying forces with them, or bomb just those left behind after evacuation, with the occupying forces and terrorists both forewarned and at a safe distance. The answer must be obvious, but it eludes me.

"nuke 'em fraternity"

Hahahaha!

That's awesome.

This kind of stuff has been happeneing for ages. What makes it really bad now is we are actually being exposed to it. As for the people yelling "nuke em." This is the year 2004 people, you cannot just go around nuking entire nations or peoples. We all have our President Bush to thank for all the crap that is taking place in Iraq.

I don't understand everytime there is a tragedy in the world every country where it occures comes to the USA for money and help. And they recieve it. I don't understand how come so many people from around the world Muslim and non Muslim want to move here to live or to attend our schools or to buy businesses and have a better life than they would ever have in their homeland. Then turn around and say we are the aggressors of the world. Some how I just don't get it.

First of all it did not all start from 9/11...second of all if we "nuke" the entire Middle East, WE will be in poverty as if the kingdom of Saudi arabia removes its piece from our stock market we would be broke...thirdly please understand Allah=God in ARABIC some idiot said " let god duke it out with Allaah..." same person, different languege..thats like saying let God duke it out with Dios...which is God in spanish...I wish people would really get it. But mainly what I would like to say is the soldiers the poor soldiers...their is a chain reaction...the soldiers are hating being sitting ducks over there as Bush is keeping them stuck in Iraq (my brother is one of them) to be dead meat sooner or later...they are pissed, and they took it out on the prisoners...now the iraqis want their people freed (naturally) and this is what happens. So what is the root of the problem...Bush and his stupid "wrong-choice" orders. Now our fathers and sons are stuck...it went from afganistan and Osama to Iraq and Saddam! I mean what the crap...he is taking us on a merry go round of blood shed. he acts like he cares about "our troops" but they are over their dying just because they have to be there. This whole thing could have been avoided including 9/11...and I still find it hard to believe a plane was hijacked by some plastic eatery and blades, and some PLASTIC arab I.D's was found in the (burning) rubble..etc etc...but it goes way beyond that and I surely do not condone terrorism, but why are we being so hypocritical...i mean the US has terrorized and done all sorts of trifling stuff but now all of a sudden we "war on terrorism"...if that is the case rage a war on yourselves! Whoever votes for Bush or even thinks about it,....prepare for a bloody future because he wants to try and fuck with those Koreans and you think you have seen fury from the Iraqi's...them koreans die for their land too with a straight face, and no hesitation...and they have what the hell they need! I am moving to saudi...bump it...they are the safest richest peacefullest place.

I am Christian... Let me tell you, the whole Christian/Islam/Judeism crap is bullshit.

Judeism started this religion.
Christianity Finished it.
Islam extended it.

Guess what, if you are any of these religions and you make it to heaven, you WILL meet muslims there, you WILL meet jews, you WILL meet christians.

The fact is that there is misunderstanding between our religions, then there are people so full of hate (Of which 'The Religion' does NOT condone) that they kill innocent people.

The thing is, people forget of people like Gandhiji. Nonviolence can get you places. If innocent arabs would starve themselves until we left, we would, or bush and our government would go down the drain.

If Americans got together and starved themselves until bush withdrew from Iraq, he would otherwise the oil wouldnt make him money and he would realise he has nothing to prove.

If every American stood up and learned the facts about the war instead of screaming "OMG WTF NUKE THEM ALL" and all marched against bush, surrounding the whitehouse for MILES UPON MILES, things would change.

This war is about ignorance.. I am not saying we have to like arabs, but we DO have to respect them and love them as human beings, even if they murder us.

And in case you are wondering, I for one would be the first person ready to starve myself until this war ended.

Sorry, allow me to add this as well.

Jesus of Nazareth once said, "He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword." One is not meant to fight, even for self defense.

Gandhiji would not strike a man if he was hit first.

Mahummad preached as well, that an eye for an eye would leave us blind.

Oh yeah! Moses (the Jew!) was the one to deliver the 10 commandments (Thou shalt not kill!)

Holy war is an oxymoron. War is a product of hate, ignorance, or greed. Not religion.

do your cars run on oil or bullshit? cause if they run on bullshit most of you could drive around the world for the rest of your lives!

I feel deeply sad for the family of Nick Berg, however, America invaded a country and abused their prisoners, in my books both parties are equally wrong.

USA is a trully chaotic country...

as long as we (usa) have a president like "W" .....this will never end!

I'm glad this is going somwhere positive. This is MUCH better guys. Peace be with everyone. Pussy or no pussy, I'll still say it. We need a little. I think most of the good points have been made. See you guys later. I'm glad this blog turned around! I hope everyone reads this whole blog, by doing so you understand a lot of things.

Adam Saunders
phasedlife@yahoo.com

it is sick whats happened to nick. but its also sick what we as americans are doing to the iraqi people. we shouldent be in this damm war anyways. The middle east is the middle east. and always will be the middle east. they are not the same as us. which there is nothing wrong with. we have no right to be over there trying to change there ways. immagine how many innocent iraqis have been killed in this war for saposid freedom.. i saw a little girl with